The Perennial Review.
In Dialogue · Spring 2026

On consciousness, between the lab and the cushion

A long conversation with a cognitive scientist who spent a decade studying meditators — on what the data can and cannot reach.

By Anusha Mishra June 2026

We sat down with a cognitive scientist who has spent a decade bringing experienced meditators into the scanner — and who is unusually candid about where the instruments stop.

On what the data reaches: "We can see attention networks quieten, default-mode activity drop, the markers of a settled nervous system. What we cannot see is what it is like — and the practitioners are the first to say the measurement is not the thing."

The conversation kept returning to that seam: a science that can describe the conditions of an inner state without touching its interior, and a tradition that has mapped the interior for millennia without the instruments. Neither, she argued, makes the other redundant.

About this essay

Part of an ongoing series reading the figures of the living canon not as artifacts but as conversation partners — asking, in each case, what they still have to say. Translations are the editors’ own.

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